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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.npost.com/blog/2009/08/18/hell-yes-you-should-raise-vc-funding/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the criteria outlined by Randall are attractive to the novice entrepreneur not the seasoned ones who could actually make the VC&#039;s investments successful if they listened more to seasoned entrepreneurs. VC&#039;s want to be in control since they think it is their money that makes the venture. Seasoned entrepreneurs know that it is they who will deliver the success and money is not the most important component. That is today&#039;s conundrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the criteria outlined by Randall are attractive to the novice entrepreneur not the seasoned ones who could actually make the VC&#8217;s investments successful if they listened more to seasoned entrepreneurs. VC&#8217;s want to be in control since they think it is their money that makes the venture. Seasoned entrepreneurs know that it is they who will deliver the success and money is not the most important component. That is today&#8217;s conundrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.npost.com/blog/2009/08/18/hell-yes-you-should-raise-vc-funding/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been away from this post for a while, but wanted to make a brief response on what appears to be a couple of misconceptions about the fundamental structural stuff at play with VCs.

First, my post was about entrepreneurs and why they should raise VC.  Polemical, directed, one-sided.  That&#039;s the idea.  (There&#039;s a shed-load of anti-VC spew out there already.)

On control and funding sources: raising any kind of investor capital means yielding some control.  But your VC on his own has embarrassingly little &quot;control,&quot; given this big bad reputation; again, this is minority shareholding and usually one out of five board seats.

(Plus, it&#039;s generally contractually impossible for us to control / operate the companies.  We&#039;re generally banned from it by our own investor agreements.)

On performance: think about this for just a minute.  The money that flows to the investors (VC &quot;performance&quot;) is money that&#039;s not flowing to the founders.  Yes, its possible and desirable to align interests and seek win-win.  But VC &quot;performance&quot; per se is emphatically /not/ what a rational founder is seeking.

(Plus, it&#039;s generally contractually impossible and illegal for us to publicly disclose &quot;performance&quot; numbers.  Seriously, go read the Securities Act.)

Please all -- do continue to look critically at the VC world and push on the weak spots (like too many boards per partner, or fund life constraints).  But don&#039;t get bogged down in the irrelevant or ill-informed negativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been away from this post for a while, but wanted to make a brief response on what appears to be a couple of misconceptions about the fundamental structural stuff at play with VCs.</p>
<p>First, my post was about entrepreneurs and why they should raise VC.  Polemical, directed, one-sided.  That&#8217;s the idea.  (There&#8217;s a shed-load of anti-VC spew out there already.)</p>
<p>On control and funding sources: raising any kind of investor capital means yielding some control.  But your VC on his own has embarrassingly little &#8220;control,&#8221; given this big bad reputation; again, this is minority shareholding and usually one out of five board seats.</p>
<p>(Plus, it&#8217;s generally contractually impossible for us to control / operate the companies.  We&#8217;re generally banned from it by our own investor agreements.)</p>
<p>On performance: think about this for just a minute.  The money that flows to the investors (VC &#8220;performance&#8221;) is money that&#8217;s not flowing to the founders.  Yes, its possible and desirable to align interests and seek win-win.  But VC &#8220;performance&#8221; per se is emphatically /not/ what a rational founder is seeking.</p>
<p>(Plus, it&#8217;s generally contractually impossible and illegal for us to publicly disclose &#8220;performance&#8221; numbers.  Seriously, go read the Securities Act.)</p>
<p>Please all &#8212; do continue to look critically at the VC world and push on the weak spots (like too many boards per partner, or fund life constraints).  But don&#8217;t get bogged down in the irrelevant or ill-informed negativity.</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Control is not red herring, easy for you to brush it off when you are the one who is in control! Comparing to banks is fair game, but who said an entrepreneur has to get funding from either a bank or a VC? How about from customers? Friends and family and so on. Fact is, as a VC, you don&#039;t have all the control even for your own fund! The institutions dictate  the life cycle of the fund, and in return dictate the action of a VC. A VC is in constant race against the clock to exit, regardless it is the right time for the startup to do so or not. Control is everything.

Performance is highly relevant when it speaks to the caliber of the VC an entrepreneur is about to work with. It speaks directly about whether the VC can help the entrepreneur a success or not, and it is also a good way to have the sanity check whether the entrepreneur&#039;s idea is valid or not. If you are trying to sell the idea that a VC is a great source of PR, mentoring, and so on, and the said VC has a lousy record (which is a reflection of their judgement, or one would think), why would an entrepreneur want to waste time with the VC? Its the blind leading the blind. Just take a look around town in Seattle, just how many VC firm is willing to publish their records or lack there of?

Bottom line is, VC as an investment class is a creature of the technology bull market that lasted for a few decades. It was at the right place at the right time, but the structure problem of this investment vehicle both for institutional investors and entrepreneurs is causing it to implode. Unless there is a structure change, no amount of glossing over will do. Perhaps it is time for many of the people in this sector to switch careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Control is not red herring, easy for you to brush it off when you are the one who is in control! Comparing to banks is fair game, but who said an entrepreneur has to get funding from either a bank or a VC? How about from customers? Friends and family and so on. Fact is, as a VC, you don&#8217;t have all the control even for your own fund! The institutions dictate  the life cycle of the fund, and in return dictate the action of a VC. A VC is in constant race against the clock to exit, regardless it is the right time for the startup to do so or not. Control is everything.</p>
<p>Performance is highly relevant when it speaks to the caliber of the VC an entrepreneur is about to work with. It speaks directly about whether the VC can help the entrepreneur a success or not, and it is also a good way to have the sanity check whether the entrepreneur&#8217;s idea is valid or not. If you are trying to sell the idea that a VC is a great source of PR, mentoring, and so on, and the said VC has a lousy record (which is a reflection of their judgement, or one would think), why would an entrepreneur want to waste time with the VC? Its the blind leading the blind. Just take a look around town in Seattle, just how many VC firm is willing to publish their records or lack there of?</p>
<p>Bottom line is, VC as an investment class is a creature of the technology bull market that lasted for a few decades. It was at the right place at the right time, but the structure problem of this investment vehicle both for institutional investors and entrepreneurs is causing it to implode. Unless there is a structure change, no amount of glossing over will do. Perhaps it is time for many of the people in this sector to switch careers.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Control and Performance.  Hmm.

&quot;Control&quot; is a complete red herring as a purported negative aspect of VC funding. Take a look at a debt instrument (e.g. a bank term loan) and you&#039;ll see /real/ control: a senior, perfected lien on all your assets, plus MAC clause etc.  Get in bad with your senior debtholder and you&#039;ll learn what &quot;control&quot; really is.  VC influence is soft by comparison: board representation and minority ownership %.  This is really cap structure 101, folks.

&quot;Performance&quot; is always an interesting point.  Picking a VC to work with based on the industry&#039;s (or a firm&#039;s) financial returns is like picking a doctor based on the medical industry&#039;s (or his hospital&#039;s) average return-on-equity.  Strongly relevant only if you are an asset-allocating institutional investor.  (Arguably, an entrepreneur shouldn&#039;t even care about returns to those investors, only those to himself and current shareholders.)  The real question for the entrepreneur is, can I generate better returns for ME by having this particular VC involved (the old &quot;50% of a lot vs. 100% of a little&quot; question).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Control and Performance.  Hmm.</p>
<p>&#8220;Control&#8221; is a complete red herring as a purported negative aspect of VC funding. Take a look at a debt instrument (e.g. a bank term loan) and you&#8217;ll see /real/ control: a senior, perfected lien on all your assets, plus MAC clause etc.  Get in bad with your senior debtholder and you&#8217;ll learn what &#8220;control&#8221; really is.  VC influence is soft by comparison: board representation and minority ownership %.  This is really cap structure 101, folks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Performance&#8221; is always an interesting point.  Picking a VC to work with based on the industry&#8217;s (or a firm&#8217;s) financial returns is like picking a doctor based on the medical industry&#8217;s (or his hospital&#8217;s) average return-on-equity.  Strongly relevant only if you are an asset-allocating institutional investor.  (Arguably, an entrepreneur shouldn&#8217;t even care about returns to those investors, only those to himself and current shareholders.)  The real question for the entrepreneur is, can I generate better returns for ME by having this particular VC involved (the old &#8220;50% of a lot vs. 100% of a little&#8221; question).</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-19 &#171; Blarney Fellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-19 &#171; Blarney Fellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to be blunt, this piece is more or less meaningless. Its like saying one needs a lawyer to go to court. What is more important to the individual is a good lawyer, or in this case a good VC. Unfortunately VCs as a group has had a lousy record as investors, so if one is follow down the path and speak in generalities, we can say entrepreneurs will have a no better chance than a coin flip to make the venture a success when dealing with a VC. This added to the fact that a lot VCs are narcissistic a**holes don&#039;t help.

Randall also tried to skirt the issue of control. The most important aspect of a startup is control and ownership. Once that is given away, the entrepreneur is nothing more than a wage slave. I highly recommand all entrepreneurs read Felix Dennis (the guy who started Microwarehouse, Computer Shopper, Maxim and others) book, &quot;How to Get Rich&quot;.

What a VC like Randall should do is to put hard performance numbers on paper to back up to the idea why one should work with his firm. Don&#039;t try to defend the whole industry, it is a lost cause. What say you Randall? How has Voyager done? Care to share the numbers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to be blunt, this piece is more or less meaningless. Its like saying one needs a lawyer to go to court. What is more important to the individual is a good lawyer, or in this case a good VC. Unfortunately VCs as a group has had a lousy record as investors, so if one is follow down the path and speak in generalities, we can say entrepreneurs will have a no better chance than a coin flip to make the venture a success when dealing with a VC. This added to the fact that a lot VCs are narcissistic a**holes don&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>Randall also tried to skirt the issue of control. The most important aspect of a startup is control and ownership. Once that is given away, the entrepreneur is nothing more than a wage slave. I highly recommand all entrepreneurs read Felix Dennis (the guy who started Microwarehouse, Computer Shopper, Maxim and others) book, &#8220;How to Get Rich&#8221;.</p>
<p>What a VC like Randall should do is to put hard performance numbers on paper to back up to the idea why one should work with his firm. Don&#8217;t try to defend the whole industry, it is a lost cause. What say you Randall? How has Voyager done? Care to share the numbers?</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our pseudonymous Hero&#039;s #2, above, is a legitimate point.  The PR thing is uncontrolled.  The truth is, with very, very few exceptions, there is dramatically more danger from people /not/ knowing about your startup than from the inverse.  Still, some things are confidential, and I can only share from personal experience: I&#039;ve never forwarded an entrepreneur&#039;s pitch deck outside of the firm without permission, and I have always respected explicit requests to keep a lid on specific deals, features, numbers, etc. that come up in a presentation.

Allen Morgan suggests things are different in capital intensive energy projects.  Surely that is so.  But I have no idea how you could do a startup energy generation facility /without/ private equity capital (lke VC).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our pseudonymous Hero&#8217;s #2, above, is a legitimate point.  The PR thing is uncontrolled.  The truth is, with very, very few exceptions, there is dramatically more danger from people /not/ knowing about your startup than from the inverse.  Still, some things are confidential, and I can only share from personal experience: I&#8217;ve never forwarded an entrepreneur&#8217;s pitch deck outside of the firm without permission, and I have always respected explicit requests to keep a lid on specific deals, features, numbers, etc. that come up in a presentation.</p>
<p>Allen Morgan suggests things are different in capital intensive energy projects.  Surely that is so.  But I have no idea how you could do a startup energy generation facility /without/ private equity capital (lke VC).</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting, well-produced post (that YouTube dance video is terrific!).  I disagree with most of the assertions the author makes, but it&#039;s a very nuanced, cases-specific area in which advice is helpful (e.g., a consumer-facing website operates within a set of constraints and opportunities much different than a startup building bio-diesel plants or large solar energy arrays.

This broad, extremely important topic is the subject of a set of posts that I&#039;m drafting over the next couple of months.  For my intro to the topic:

http://allensblog.typepad.com/allensblog/2009/08/financing-innovation-introduction-to-the-series.html.

I look forward to a constructive discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting, well-produced post (that YouTube dance video is terrific!).  I disagree with most of the assertions the author makes, but it&#8217;s a very nuanced, cases-specific area in which advice is helpful (e.g., a consumer-facing website operates within a set of constraints and opportunities much different than a startup building bio-diesel plants or large solar energy arrays.</p>
<p>This broad, extremely important topic is the subject of a set of posts that I&#8217;m drafting over the next couple of months.  For my intro to the topic:</p>
<p><a href="http://allensblog.typepad.com/allensblog/2009/08/financing-innovation-introduction-to-the-series.html" rel="nofollow">http://allensblog.typepad.com/allensblog/2009/08/financing-innovation-introduction-to-the-series.html</a>.</p>
<p>I look forward to a constructive discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Free consulting from VCs is often negative and can erode morale, better avoided for young companies. Its not as if the founders do not know the negative sides themselves. They need someone to give solutions to the problems that they can foresee, something VCs are not likely to do
(2) Free PR, but uncontrolled too. Very likely to give out more information to outsiders than you wish to disclose outside closed door meetings
(3) In early days, you are less likely to meet the VC partners and more likely will get to deal with junior execs at VC firms... who in all likely hood are going to be assholes - worth avoiding just to keep the negativity away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Free consulting from VCs is often negative and can erode morale, better avoided for young companies. Its not as if the founders do not know the negative sides themselves. They need someone to give solutions to the problems that they can foresee, something VCs are not likely to do<br />
(2) Free PR, but uncontrolled too. Very likely to give out more information to outsiders than you wish to disclose outside closed door meetings<br />
(3) In early days, you are less likely to meet the VC partners and more likely will get to deal with junior execs at VC firms&#8230; who in all likely hood are going to be assholes &#8211; worth avoiding just to keep the negativity away</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Korf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Korf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post - VC is a word many of us early stage folks don&#039;t even consider, but you make the case for keeping VC as an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post &#8211; VC is a word many of us early stage folks don&#8217;t even consider, but you make the case for keeping VC as an option.</p>
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